Arrrgh!!!

If men dressed like women do, (running around like Tarzans with nothing but a velcroed loin cloth) would there be a problem with female harassment of men? Give a woman one stiff drink and they'd all be trying to lift the tab. And if a man dressed like that said "I want to be left alone", would they laugh or take him seriously?

When I was a teen I thought that girls could indeed be 'asking for it'. I have never had sex with a woman against her will. Indeed, if she says no, its no....as much as I may be annoyed.

I agree that rape is rape, no matter if the clothes that the woman wears are provocative or not. At the same time, I agree that lots of what young women wear today and consider fashionable are quite skimpy. Though I agree that rape is indeed such, I think parents need to give their offspring guidleines about dressing....where it is or isn't acceptable to dress a certain way.

One other thing...young girls should also be aware that if they really do not intend to get physically involved with a guy, they should not get him aroused like a 'tease' and then at the point where he wants to penetrate, decide to say no. I know that this is still rape and I am not trying to excuse it, but especially as a 17 or 18 year old teen, one may really not be fully in control of one's sexual responses when hormones get the better of you.

Nice thoughts as usual Buffy. TGIF.

I hadn't thought of it from the guy's point of view, Roberta, but what's good for the gander is good for the goose. Think of how absorbed we are with the idea of what men wear under kilts.

Dr. D....I don't think sex talks for most teenage girls discuss saying "no" at the last minute. I'm SURE that most teenage girls have very little concept of what that does to a guy, especially if it's their first time around. As an experienced lover, I can only imagine what is actually happening based on what guys have told me and what I've observed. I have enough empathy not to cause that, but girls don't have experience to guide them. I'll bet money that in a lot of cases, the girls don't mean to tease, they just find too late they are not ready to go through with it.

When it's women who are accused of teasing, perhaps alcohol, fidelity, or unprotected sex could be reasons to stop at the last moment. I'm not saying it's right. But I still think guys have to heed the word "NO!"

Are you suggesting that men can be incapable of stopping?

I used to believe that one was not 'asking for it' by the way they dressed, but really, some clothes are quite revealing - and I can look at what Roberta wrote and see the other side. If men were dressed in less, and women softened up by alcohol, we'd likely be after their bods more, even if they were saying 'rather not'.

I was the best man at my brother's wedding and being of Scot decent we both wore kilts. I can't tell you how many women, young and old, asked what I was wearing underneath. As the night went on some even tried to sneek a peek or reach under for a feel.

Having said that, I think rape is the most heinous crime there is after child abuse and should be punished much more harshly that it currently is. To get the male population into a state of mind where he readily accepts "no" as no, society's attitude has to change drastically and the courts have to do it. Let our boys grow up with the knowledge that a rape conviction brings with it a sentence of castration- no, you say? ok, how about some ice cream?

You've posed a very interesting question. I don't think just because you're dressed provocatively that means that if a man rapes or molests you that you're asking for it. Ones body is their body and people need to keep their hands off it, unless invited to touch it. Dressing provocatively is not an invitation.

I do however think the person should be prepared to receive comments. The usual cat calls or even other women being jealous and making snide remarks, and the like.

Do I think comments are appropriate? No. Do I think its acceptable to make those comments? No. Do I think they're inevitable? Yes. I relate it to a person who is overweight and wears skin tight clothing and is eating a jelly donut. People are going to say something. Doesn't make it right, it's just how people are.

Sgt. Hook....I have it on good authority (from a Scottish friend) that the answer to the question of what a man is wearing under his kilt is:

"there's nothin worn.....under the kilt.............
everythin's in perfect workin order.

; ) That was my answer all night, well except to the cute blonde...anyway. Don't you just love the Scot humor?

Buffy, in the same way that you rightly said that some inexperienced young girls may not be prepared or ready to 'go all the way', I believe that young inexperienced males may not be able to 'stop' if going all the way is their intention. This is something I feel needs to be taught to young lads from early. They need to know that if they get a 'no' they should stop at that. As much as it may seem the natural thing to have sex. I also agree with Sgt Hook...there need to be stronger punishments for rape.

Heres my two cents

Men must realise that when women say no it means no!

Women who dress provocatively are looking for male attention. They are, face it, everybody. The thing about it is, they are not looking for attention from every male, but from males <b>they</b> are interested. Its nature at work, people. The laws of natural selection!
So they don't necessarily want the cat calls, or any average joe groping them, etc., etc., yadda, yadda... But let the right male come along and put some choice lyrics their way and, ZOOOM! They gone with them.

Still, women have a right to say no, men. Face it. Its just not YOU that they want. Find one that wants you, there are enough of them out there.

Wait, thats more than two cents... thats a dollar at least. Bye Buffy... Have a nice weekend.

how often do I have to tell ya.....??

there's NOTHIN worn under the kilt...... everythin 's kept in PERFECT workin order....

;P~~~~